Green Bay Phoenix @ Youngstown State Penguins
| 1 | 2 | T | |
|---|---|---|---|
| GB13-13 | 38 | 35 | 73 |
| YSU9-18 | 37 | 39 | 76 |
The scoring timeline.
Every scoring moment, when the official feed stamped it — and when FirstBuzzer's in-venue spotters buzzed it first. Times are ET.
-
Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey.
0–3 -
Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Jumper.
2–3 -
Troy Cotton made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Ryan Tillema.
5–3 -
Byron Davis made Two Point Dunk Shot.
5–5 -
Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Jack Liles.
5–8 -
Troy Cotton made Two Point Jumper.
7–8 -
Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Byron Davis.
7–11 -
Ryan Tillema made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
10–11 -
Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Jumper.
10–13 -
Randy Berry made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
12–13 -
Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Dunk Shot.
12–15 -
George Cotal made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Mikko Niemi.
12–17 -
Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Jumper.
14–17 -
Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Mikko Niemi.
14–19 -
Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Layup.
16–19 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper.
18–19 -
Ryan Tillema made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Terry Evans.
20–19 -
Pat Nelson made Free Throw.
21–19 -
John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey.
21–21 -
Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Mel Johnson.
21–24 -
John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Mel Johnson.
21–26 -
Randy Berry made Free Throw.
22–26 -
Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
24–26 -
Byron Davis made Free Throw.
24–27 -
Byron Davis made Free Throw.
24–28 -
Byron Davis made Free Throw.
24–29 -
Randy Berry made Two Point Layup.
26–29 -
Randy Berry made Free Throw.
27–29 -
Randy Berry made Free Throw.
28–29 -
Jack Liles made Free Throw.
28–30 -
Dwight Holmes made Free Throw.
28–31 -
D'Angalo Jackson made Free Throw.
29–31 -
Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Jumper.
29–33 -
Jack Liles made Two Point Layup.
29–35 -
Troy Cotton made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Cordero Barkley.
32–35 -
Troy Cotton made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Cordero Barkley.
34–35 -
Randy Berry made Free Throw.
35–35 -
Randy Berry made Free Throw.
36–35 -
Mike Schachtner made Free Throw.
37–35 -
Mike Schachtner made Free Throw.
38–35 -
Byron Davis made Two Point Jumper.
38–37 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper.
40–37 -
Randy Berry made Two Point Layup. Assisted by D'Angalo Jackson.
42–37 -
John Barber made Two Point Jumper.
42–39 -
D'Angalo Jackson made Three Point Jumper.
45–39 -
John Barber made Free Throw.
45–40 -
John Barber made Free Throw.
45–41 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper.
47–41 -
John Barber made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Byron Davis.
47–44 -
Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper.
47–47 -
John Barber made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes.
47–50 -
John Barber made Free Throw.
47–51 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Dunk Shot. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
49–51 -
Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey.
49–54 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
51–54 -
Mikko Niemi made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes.
51–57 -
Byron Davis made Free Throw.
51–58 -
Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper.
53–58 -
Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper.
55–58 -
Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes.
55–61 -
Cordero Barkley made Free Throw.
56–61 -
Cordero Barkley made Free Throw.
57–61 -
Byron Davis made Two Point Tip Shot.
57–63 -
Cordero Barkley made Two Point Jumper.
59–63 -
Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Layup.
61–63 -
Ryan Tillema made Free Throw.
62–63 -
Ryan Tillema made Free Throw.
63–63 -
Ryan Tillema made Free Throw.
64–63 -
Jack Liles made Free Throw.
64–64 -
Jack Liles made Free Throw.
64–65 -
John Barber made Two Point Layup.
64–67 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Dunk Shot.
66–67 -
John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Vytas Sulskis.
66–69 -
Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper.
68–69 -
Mel Johnson made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Mikko Niemi.
68–72 -
Randy Berry made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
70–72 -
Byron Davis made Two Point Layup.
70–74 -
Byron Davis made Two Point Layup.
70–76 -
Ryan Tillema made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher.
73–76
Play-by-play
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey. 0–3
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Jumper. 2–3
- P1 Byron Davis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Ryan Tillema Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on John Barber
- P1 Terry Evans missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Youngstown State Defensive Rebou.
- P1 Jack Liles missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Ryan Tillema Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Troy Cotton made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Ryan Tillema. 5–3
- P1 Foul on Troy Cotton
- P1 Vance Cooksey missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Terry Evans Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Byron Davis Steal.
- P1 Byron Davis made Two Point Dunk Shot. 5–5
- P1 Troy Cotton missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Youngstown State Defensive Rebou.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Jack Liles. 5–8
- P1 John Barber Steal.
- P1 Troy Cotton Steal.
- P1 Troy Cotton made Two Point Jumper. 7–8
- P1 Foul on Troy Cotton
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Byron Davis. 7–11
- P1 Ryan Tillema made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 10–11
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Jumper. 10–13
- P1 Randy Berry made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 12–13
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Dunk Shot. 12–15
- P1 Official TV Timeout.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis Steal.
- P1 George Cotal made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Mikko Niemi. 12–17
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Jumper. 14–17
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Mikko Niemi. 14–19
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Layup. 16–19
- P1 Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper. 18–19
- P1 Randy Berry missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 John Barber Defensive Rebound.
- P1 John Barber missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Randy Berry
- P1 Byron Davis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Ryan Tillema Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Byron Davis Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Youngstown State 30 Second Timeout.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Terry Evans Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Ryan Tillema made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Terry Evans. 20–19
- P1 Byron Davis missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Terry Evans Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Vytas Sulskis
- P1 Official TV Timeout.
- P1 Pat Nelson missed Free Throw.
- P1 Pat Nelson made Free Throw. 21–19
- P1 John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey. 21–21
- P1 Cordero Barkley missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 John Barber Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Mel Johnson. 21–24
- P1 Ryan Tillema missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Jack Liles Defensive Rebound.
- P1 John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Mel Johnson. 21–26
- P1 Pat Nelson missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 John Barber Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Mel Johnson missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Jack Liles Offensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Pat Nelson
- P1 Jack Liles missed Free Throw.
- P1 Jack Liles missed Free Throw.
- P1 Mike Schachtner Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Jack Liles
- P1 Randy Berry made Free Throw. 22–26
- P1 Randy Berry missed Free Throw.
- P1 Mel Johnson Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on John Barber
- P1 Official TV Timeout.
- P1 Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 24–26
- P1 Vytas Sulskis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Byron Davis Offensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Terry Evans
- P1 Byron Davis missed Free Throw.
- P1 Byron Davis made Free Throw. 24–27
- P1 Foul on Mikko Niemi
- P1 Vytas Sulskis Steal.
- P1 Foul on Terry Evans
- P1 Byron Davis made Free Throw. 24–28
- P1 Byron Davis made Free Throw. 24–29
- P1 Mike Schachtner missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 George Cotal Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Mikko Niemi missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on George Cotal
- P1 Randy Berry made Two Point Layup. 26–29
- P1 Vance Cooksey missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Rahmon Fletcher Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Foul on Dwight Holmes
- P1 Randy Berry made Free Throw. 27–29
- P1 Randy Berry made Free Throw. 28–29
- P1 Foul on Rahmon Fletcher
- P1 Jack Liles made Free Throw. 28–30
- P1 Jack Liles missed Free Throw.
- P1 Randy Berry Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Jack Liles Steal.
- P1 Foul on Rahmon Fletcher
- P1 Dwight Holmes missed Free Throw.
- P1 Dwight Holmes made Free Throw. 28–31
- P1 Foul on Mel Johnson
- P1 D'Angalo Jackson made Free Throw. 29–31
- P1 D'Angalo Jackson missed Free Throw.
- P1 Dwight Holmes Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Ryan Tillema Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Byron Davis Steal.
- P1 Vytas Sulskis made Two Point Jumper. 29–33
- P1 Official TV Timeout.
- P1 Jack Liles made Two Point Layup. 29–35
- P1 Troy Cotton made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Cordero Barkley. 32–35
- P1 Byron Davis missed Three Point Jumper.
- P1 Jack Liles Offensive Rebound.
- P1 Troy Cotton made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Cordero Barkley. 34–35
- P1 Foul on D'Angalo Jackson
- P1 Byron Davis missed Free Throw.
- P1 Randy Berry Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Wisconsin-Green Bay 30 Second Timeout.
- P1 Foul on Jack Liles
- P1 Randy Berry made Free Throw. 35–35
- P1 Randy Berry made Free Throw. 36–35
- P1 Byron Davis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Troy Cotton Defensive Rebound.
- P1 Ryan Tillema missed Two Point Jumper.
- P1 Wisconsin-Green Bay Offensive Re.
- P1 Foul on George Cotal
- P1 Mike Schachtner made Free Throw. 37–35
- P1 Mike Schachtner made Free Throw. 38–35
- P1 Byron Davis made Two Point Jumper. 38–37
- P2 Troy Cotton missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Vance Cooksey Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Vance Cooksey missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 John Barber Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Rahmon Fletcher
- P2 Foul on Byron Davis
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper. 40–37
- P2 Vytas Sulskis missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Youngstown State Offensive Rebou.
- P2 Foul on Terry Evans
- P2 Foul on Jack Liles
- P2 Terry Evans missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 John Barber Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Vytas Sulskis
- P2 Foul on Vytas Sulskis
- P2 Randy Berry made Two Point Layup. Assisted by D'Angalo Jackson. 42–37
- P2 Youngstown State 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Terry Evans missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Dwight Holmes Defensive Rebound.
- P2 John Barber made Two Point Jumper. 42–39
- P2 D'Angalo Jackson made Three Point Jumper. 45–39
- P2 Foul on Randy Berry
- P2 Official TV Timeout.
- P2 John Barber made Free Throw. 45–40
- P2 John Barber made Free Throw. 45–41
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper. 47–41
- P2 John Barber made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Byron Davis. 47–44
- P2 Foul on Vance Cooksey
- P2 Mike Schachtner missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Mel Johnson Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper. 47–47
- P2 D'Angalo Jackson missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Dwight Holmes Defensive Rebound.
- P2 John Barber made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes. 47–50
- P2 Foul on Randy Berry
- P2 John Barber made Free Throw. 47–51
- P2 Foul on Mel Johnson
- P2 Terry Evans missed Free Throw.
- P2 Terry Evans missed Free Throw.
- P2 Vytas Sulskis Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mike Schachtner Steal.
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Dunk Shot. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 49–51
- P2 Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Vance Cooksey. 49–54
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 51–54
- P2 Foul on Byron Davis
- P2 Terry Evans missed Free Throw.
- P2 Vytas Sulskis Defensive Rebound.
- P2 John Barber missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Dwight Holmes Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Terry Evans
- P2 Official TV Timeout.
- P2 Mike Schachtner missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Ryan Tillema Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Rahmon Fletcher missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Vytas Sulskis Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mikko Niemi made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes. 51–57
- P2 Ryan Tillema missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Ryan Tillema Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Ryan Tillema missed Two Point Layup.
- P2 Mikko Niemi Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Mike Schachtner
- P2 Byron Davis made Free Throw. 51–58
- P2 Byron Davis missed Free Throw.
- P2 Mike Schachtner Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Troy Cotton missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Mikko Niemi Defensive Rebound.
- P2 John Barber missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Mikko Niemi Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Cordero Barkley
- P2 Byron Davis missed Free Throw.
- P2 Mike Schachtner Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper. 53–58
- P2 Foul on Randy Berry
- P2 Dwight Holmes missed Free Throw.
- P2 Dwight Holmes missed Free Throw.
- P2 Tevah Morris Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mike Schachtner made Two Point Jumper. 55–58
- P2 John Barber missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Dwight Holmes Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Byron Davis made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Dwight Holmes. 55–61
- P2 Foul on Vytas Sulskis
- P2 Official TV Timeout.
- P2 Cordero Barkley made Free Throw. 56–61
- P2 Cordero Barkley made Free Throw. 57–61
- P2 John Barber missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Byron Davis Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Byron Davis made Two Point Tip Shot. 57–63
- P2 Cordero Barkley made Two Point Jumper. 59–63
- P2 Tevah Morris Steal.
- P2 Rahmon Fletcher made Two Point Layup. 61–63
- P2 Youngstown State 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Byron Davis missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Ryan Tillema Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Foul on Mel Johnson
- P2 Ryan Tillema made Free Throw. 62–63
- P2 Ryan Tillema made Free Throw. 63–63
- P2 Ryan Tillema made Free Throw. 64–63
- P2 Foul on Ryan Tillema
- P2 Jack Liles made Free Throw. 64–64
- P2 Jack Liles made Free Throw. 64–65
- P2 Mel Johnson Steal.
- P2 Mikko Niemi missed Two Point Jumper.
- P2 Terry Evans Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mikko Niemi Steal.
- P2 John Barber made Two Point Layup. 64–67
- P2 Rahmon Fletcher missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Youngstown State Defensive Rebou.
- P2 Official TV Timeout.
- P2 Terry Evans Steal.
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Dunk Shot. 66–67
- P2 John Barber made Two Point Jumper. Assisted by Vytas Sulskis. 66–69
- P2 Terry Evans made Two Point Jumper. 68–69
- P2 Foul on Vytas Sulskis
- P2 Terry Evans missed Free Throw.
- P2 Jack Liles Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Mel Johnson made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Mikko Niemi. 68–72
- P2 Terry Evans missed Two Point Layup.
- P2 Wisconsin-Green Bay Offensive Re.
- P2 Wisconsin-Green Bay 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Randy Berry made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 70–72
- P2 Byron Davis made Two Point Layup. 70–74
- P2 Wisconsin-Green Bay 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Terry Evans Steal.
- P2 Byron Davis Steal.
- P2 Byron Davis made Two Point Layup. 70–76
- P2 Ryan Tillema made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Rahmon Fletcher. 73–76
- P2 Wisconsin-Green Bay 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Youngstown State 30 Second Timeout.
- P2 Wisconsin-Green Bay Full Timeout.
- P2 Mike Schachtner missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Rahmon Fletcher Offensive Rebound.
- P2 Ryan Tillema missed Three Point Jumper.
- P2 Dwight Holmes Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Youngstown State Full Timeout.
- P2 Foul on Mike Schachtner
- P2 Dwight Holmes missed Free Throw.
- P2 Terry Evans Defensive Rebound.
- P2 Dwight Holmes missed Free Throw.
Box score
GB
| Player | MIN | PTS | FG | 3PT | FT | REB | AST | TO | STL | BLK | OREB | DREB | PF |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Randy BerryF | 29 | 13 | 4-5 | 0-0 | 5-6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
| Terry EvansF | 28 | 14 | 7-11 | 0-1 | 0-4 | 5 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 4 |
| Rahmon FletcherG | 29 | 8 | 4-7 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 3 |
| Troy CottonG | 18 | 10 | 4-7 | 2-4 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Ryan TillemaG | 31 | 11 | 3-8 | 2-5 | 3-3 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 1 |
| Mike SchachtnerF | 20 | 8 | 3-7 | 0-2 | 2-2 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 |
| Cordero BarkleyF | 19 | 4 | 1-2 | 0-1 | 2-2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Pat NelsonF | 3 | 1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Tevah MorrisF | 4 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| Bryquis PerineG | 8 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| D'Angelo JacksonG | 11 | 4 | 1-2 | 1-2 | 1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Uriel SeguraG | |||||||||||||
| Eric Van CleaveG |
YSU
| Player | MIN | PTS | FG | 3PT | FT | REB | AST | TO | STL | BLK | OREB | DREB | PF |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jack LilesF | 20 | 5 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 3-6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| John BarberF | 29 | 19 | 7-12 | 2-2 | 3-3 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 2 |
| Vytas SulskisG | 27 | 20 | 8-12 | 4-5 | 0-0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 5 |
| Vance CookseyG | 23 | 0 | 0-3 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Byron DavisG | 38 | 23 | 8-14 | 3-6 | 4-8 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 |
| Dwight HolmesF | 23 | 1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-6 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 1 |
| Mel JohnsonG | 16 | 3 | 1-2 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
| George CotalG | 7 | 2 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Mikko NiemiG | 17 | 3 | 1-3 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Kevin DraughonF | |||||||||||||
| Dan BoudlerF | |||||||||||||
| Zack RebillotF | |||||||||||||
| Mychal DoblanskiG | |||||||||||||
| Alek MrozikG |
Watching this game live?
Buzz scoring moments from your seat — faster correct buzzes earn more, and consensus verifies every report before it counts.